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PostSubject: Certs and shit   Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:20 pm

lets talk certification

do i need to cert all my mods on my bike like a low volume cert on a car?

if so anyone got a good cert guy? also a friendly warrent guy who will ignore the fact the bike has a straight banger pipe and hardtail, but still check it for safty shit? appreciated!
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:53 am

it is very much debated about what needs to be certed & what doesn't, and many wof guys dont worry about mods much, as long as it has working lights,indics,brakes etc
i heard ktl bikes in western springs are not anal about things
might still be best to put some baffling in the pipes cos the cops seem to be pullin over numerous people for that now.
i told the guy at my last wof that my bike was lowered front & rear & he didnt refer me for certing for that, he was fairly fussy about the regs - made me put a reflector on the back
he told me he wouldnt pass a side mount plate
at Waitakere testing station one inspector said he would pass side mount plate & taillight & another said he wouldn't
in actual fact a guy let the side mount vertical plate thing go to court & he won so that one's already been tested
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:04 pm

west end rotangs wrote:
lets talk certification

do i need to cert all my mods on my bike like a low volume cert on a car?

if so anyone got a good cert guy? also a friendly warrent guy who will ignore the fact the bike has a straight banger pipe and hardtail, but still check it for safty shit? appreciated!


go to Colin at Papakura motorcycle for wof.
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:01 am

will do byron thanks bruffa



thanks for the write up brett, good dude, i seem to get away with having a real loud car, but i guess its not a matt black bike, haha, dont have enough cash for the fines! will i need to cert a shifter? kinda sounds like the motorbike modding side of things has gone under the radar legelness wise, maybe i should look into a cert anyway, i refuse to certify my airbagged pick up truck, $400 to look at mounts? no way ! are bike certs this much too? Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:15 am

yeah a jockey shifter needs a cert. if its not a factory issued part then it needs a cert. i know of people who have been refered to a cert guy cause they had braided lines. thats a bit anal.
colin at papakura is a sweet dude but he requires indicators and shit most of the time.if your wanting a cert or someone to advise you. give alex gee a call. hes a sweet dude, lives in massey. he has certed a couple of mine before.

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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:54 am

That braided lines one is a pain. Apparently they have to have a plastic cover to stop them rubbing through other stuff!!

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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:23 pm

Braided lines used to need a number on them now the only rule is the have have the end fittings swaged on, not the one you can dissassemble with hand tools.
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:29 pm

The local Harley dealer sells those Russell kits with ends that bolt on!

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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:12 pm

yeah they can screw on to the adaptor but where the line meets the end fitting it has to be swaged

the fist pic is good, the second one is the wrong type but its on there till i get told to take it off. still works better than rubber hose.



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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:51 pm

its bloody stupid the braided thing,when I did a couple of race seasons we used the bolted up lines and had no probs braking from 280-290k's at pukekohe Its preety simple to get right if they are assembled wrong they will leak if correct they won't I have had so many arguments with dickhead vinning people,oh yea don't get me started on testing exaust systems
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:23 pm

yeah now u got me started...u know when they use those noise db testers - if your bike doesn't have a tach then they dont know what revs you're doin anyway - so it's not accurate anyway. there's too much bureaucracy & pc crap in our country, they keep trying to protect people from themselves or from other stupid people, but you can't legislate to remove stupidity. Like u said, if the brakeline join leaks, it's no good, if it doesn't, then it's fine - who makes up these stupid rules?
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:25 pm

I no about testing exhausts because land transport came to our shop to see how it should be done we went to the carpark behind work with a pile of different bikes and all nutted it out with ltsa,this is how they came up with the rules and its simple metre back from the bike,metre out from the bike and 500mm of the ground and out side not in a fucking tin shed ,I had a major argument with a vtnz guy who vinned a bike for us,the young guy at work took the bike to be vinned we had tested it before it went 96 dba,he arrives back telling me it fails wtf how did he test it? he tell's me he wheels it inside shed and chucks the dba meter up the exhausht revs it up and says it fails I had to phone him and politely tell he had done the test wrong and he had better pass it bloody dickheads arrgh.
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:16 pm

thats handy to know Doug, my pipes are quite loud, as they should be
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:43 pm

I had to borrow a set of standard soft tail pipes to get mine under the 100db limit... theres was no way in hell i could even get close with the drag pipes on - even packed with chicken wire and baffles.
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:02 pm

with a wof you can have what they call in their regs 'retro fitted parts'. These dont have to be certed, they just have to conform with the wof regs. (retro meaning you fitted it later on, not retro meaning vintage Smile )
i havent had to get a vin so it is interesting to hear about that stuff.
my sportster mufflers were measured at 97.9 at wof but they had no tacho so they were guessing that my revs were around the guideline (is it 2500rpm?)
it seems funny to me that you have to put on all e marked lights for a vin but then later you can retro fit non e marked stuff and then pass your wof with it. and suchlike.
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:07 pm

I've never had them measure my pipes with a meter outside of the SVA teat when I took my Sprimnger back to eUK for a couple of years. Failed three times there. Here they just ask me about the bike in general and don't bother much with the changes.

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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:13 pm

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I've never had them measure my pipes with a meter outside of the SVA teat when I took my Sprimnger back to eUK for a couple of years. Failed three times there. Here they just ask me about the bike in general and don't bother much with the changes.

SVA teat is it something to do with baby bottles, maybe 'Suck Very Aggressively Teat' ?
Sprimnger a place in Missouri somewhere?
eUK an electronic version of the British Isles, maybe matrix style

sorry i canna be helpin it
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:16 pm

Irishjon wrote:
I've never had them measure my pipes with a meter outside of the SVA teat when I took my Sprimnger back to eUK for a couple of years. Failed three times there. Here they just ask me about the bike in general and don't bother much with the changes.

maybe me go your inspector next time
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:30 pm

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-certification/virm-in-service-certification.html#motorcycles

Check out chapter 2, it's all about bikes. I often check this to see if different bits and pieces are legal (not that my bike is very legal)! It's a pretty valuable piece of knowledge, if you know what you're talking about at the warrant place you can often get away with things that you may not have otherwise.
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:56 pm

Cheers Paul, I just got all my paper work sent to me from my cert dude today. The good thing at the moment is there are very few rules as to what you can an can't do. However that will all change soon you can bet on that. affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:16 am

Is yours nearly finished then Woody?

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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:31 am

lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! NO!
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:20 pm

AS ABOVE
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PostSubject: Re: Certs and shit   Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:19 pm

I spent all day failing to finish a 2 hour job on Sara's Sporty so I got nothing done on my bikes this weekend either.

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